This may be the most free-wheeling, “out-of-control” interview I’ve ever conducted with a fellow member of the body of Christ. I’ve never done any advanced planning or advanced coaching for any interview I’ve ever conducted, but this particular video may represent the epitome of that. So that, in the future, when someone asks, “What is the opposite of a pre-planned and pre-outlined interview with someone?”—where the nominees include every interview ever executed in the history of the Adamic race—the classic answer will be, “Martin Zender’s interview of DuWayne Pence in late March of 2025. You know, the one in front of the shopping mall.” And the questioner will say, “Duh. Yeah. I know the one.”